mladyleander: hi
Gary Sapier: Hi
Gary Sapier: Ok, Simon dumped everything into Aus yesterday, where all that came from I don't know. I got 1100 spices from Belle today, but that is all that was dropped off to me direct
mladyleander: he said something about you having taken bits out to start making stuff, and then you wanted to do it all
mladyleander: so he dumped it all into that thing so you could control it.
mladyleander: soooo i can subtract 1100 spices from my list
Gary Sapier: I thought it was easier to put it all in one then having a few thousand here there and all over, now everythings consolidated and I just got finished making 7000 bat chows and 200 knob chows, I'm going to put some in the stash and the rest up for sale as was the plan I thought
Gary Sapier: that should be 2000 knob chows
mladyleander: listen i'm not getting in between you two
mladyleander: but usually when we do a sale we sell it all at once..
mladyleander: and make a monopoly in the market.
mladyleander: and i don't understand why everything wasnt in one place...
Gary Sapier: Because simon had some in kharenden and kheldar and ghwerig and I had some in aushiri
mladyleander: i don't know why you thought that, he took everything under ghwerig that was taken out of penfar, once it was found to be leaking....... shall we say?
mladyleander: except stuff he and i personally donated..
Gary Sapier: Ok maybe not under Kheldar but I have msgs from the other two with items fowarded to me, it was in at least three diff multis.
Gary Sapier: Including my own
Gary Sapier: anyway, there is nothing to get in the middle of, he said he didn't want the paswword for aushiri and I said fine I'll do it, the point is it's done now, well all I have noodles to do with anyway
Gary Sapier: If you think there's a better price to be had in selling all of the chows at once then I'll save them, we are not actually hurting for meat
mladyleander: i don't get it.
mladyleander: you don't really make much sens to me gary.
mladyleander: we have a big meeting asking all the clan to use any extra members they have to farm for the clan...
mladyleander: so it's agreed they'll farm for chow parts or donate.... for the intent of making this 7,000 each of each chow...
mladyleander: then penfar becomes compramised, we tell everyone to donate to a secure charecter, they get that and continue to contribute <i'll tell you it's scarce in the daily donations but thats fine... it's not required> and then it's up and sent to another area.
mladyleander: it doesn't look very cohesive from the regular elf point of view.
Gary Sapier: Aushiri was always the multi we had targeted from the beggining when we didn't want to ascend penfar, the missing stuff only expedited the operation and Aus was in ronin at the time so that's why Khel made Ghewrig, he was only a temp
mladyleander: but aushiri wasnt ready you said to start sending stuff too...
Gary Sapier: It's not ready to act as a clan buffer but we had to switch it sooner or later and better to do it now than later when we were overly used to ghewrig
mladyleander: i see..
mladyleander: well i suggest you post something to clear some of this stuff up.....
mladyleander: i know more then some.... and it's hard enough for me to understand... but i've heard elves talking in the main chat
mladyleander: the want to know whats going on and are questioning...
mladyleander: you have an opportunity to clear misunderstandings up
Gary Sapier: I absolutely intended to all day, but I've been busy getting all this stuff together and getting my own stuff done
mladyleander: i dont wish to sound acuisitory if that's the way i'm sounding
mladyleander: if anything it's a complement in that i feel i can discuss these things with you..
mladyleander: but if what you say is true <we're not hurting for meat> why do the chows when there's issues like this to clear up?
Gary Sapier: I don't mind, I know it's confusing but I only have so many hours in a day, it'll make sense eventually, I think if all can just show a bit of faith for a few days you'll all be more relaxed in the end
mladyleander: you're just going to have to either a.) share things and specifically bestow responsibilities..... or b.) take it all on...
Gary Sapier: Because they had to be finished weather I get them done now or later doesn't matter, but I put them up for sale because I wasn't aware of the sell all 21000 plan. Now that I am I took them off the market
mladyleander: it was posted in the forums and posted in clan messages, outpost and manor.... and the clan webpage.. i guess i don't know how else it could be communicated.
mladyleander: and i know people are commenting b/c there's comments in the shout boards and in chat about information
Gary Sapier: I've been in chat everyday, no ones asked me anything. I didn't see the webpage, and I must have missed the post in the forums. There is nothing about 21000 in our clan board.
mladyleander: i guess it's too much to expect for you to follow to the webpage like it suggests.
Gary Sapier: I guess it's too uch to ask that you stop being so sarcastic?
mladyleander: I'm sorry for that.
Gary Sapier: I have to take the dogs out brb
mladyleander: ok
mladyleander: I guess I just don't know what you want from me or the other elves.. i contribute to forums all over them... i read and post messages in the clan message board... i made a webpage to bring the elves together, i run drives... i have contests...i participate in trivia and chat on /clan... and the one thing that i could ask for is that my clan leader show some interest in how i try and support the clan... it was nice that sally gave me some gifts <not sure what in total> but a simple caring about me as an elf trying to help is all one could ask for.. and direction from a clan leader. How do you think things happen? if you build it they will come? no it's the trust worthy peeps who are there day in and day out making it a family.
Gary Sapier: Personally all I like to see is, the members taking an interest and being together once and a while in chat. Everything else is just gravy in my eyes. Elven and I started the original forum only as a place where people could share ideas if they wanted to, it's never been mandatory to join them, but it was an easy way to show participation in the clan. I really appreciate all you and Kheldar have done, but I didn't ask anyone to make a webpage, it's a great idea, sure, and I couldn't do it on my own, but if we never had it it would not bother me. Same with the entire penfar thing we wanted a clan buffer originally and it sort of grew from there. As for the outpost I thought it would be great to have a place for our multis that's it then the recruiter idea came into play and that was fine...
Gary Sapier: but now it's all grown so out of hand and a clan that I love to visit and people I enjoy seeing are making it a stressful place. I don't care now if you and or Kheldar leave, I don't care who follows you out as long as I can have this clan back to the fun place it used to be for me, and that is truly how I feel
mladyleander: are you saying i don't make the clan fun for you anymore?
Gary Sapier: Yep
mladyleander: i see.
mladyleander: why have you never felt you could talk to me about this?